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 Post subject: Water softeners
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:31 pm 
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If you are in a hard water area

Water softeners

There are two types of water softener that might do you,

1) A salt regeneration type

2) A Sil-Phos type

1) Changes the composition of the water by ion exchange the water is softened but the unit needs to be charged up with salt for it to be able to work, and needs to be back-washed when regenerating the ion exchange, also the salt water (the brine) needs to be run to waste

2) This changes the calcaire in the water to a non depositing kind of hard water, when the Sil-Phos balls in the container are used up the container needs to be refilled with Sil-Phos balls

The choice is yours, for the positioning of the unit a regenerating type should be placed after the main inlet valve but after a cold water draw off point that feeds the kitchen sink, a sil-phos type should be fitted in the same place but a cold water draw off point to the kitchen sink does not matter because the water is still hard

The only reason for a hard water draw off point at the kitchen sink is that the doctors are of the opinion that soft water is bad for the heart

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 Post subject: Re: Water softeners
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:57 pm 
Another option is the electronic system, such as the Scalewatcher. See below.

http://www.scalewatcher.co.uk/?gcid=S18394x001-wint_sale&keyword=scalewatcher%20co%20UK

We fitted one about ten years ago, and it's still working. I don't pretend to understand how it works and it is not so 100% efficient as their sales blurb claims, but there is definitely less deposited scale in the loos as there used to be, and the scale in the electric kettle is, as claimed, soft and can mostly be removed with a wooden or plastic spoon.

Big advantage is that it costs only about 4 euros a year to run and does not require any attention once fitted.

We recommended it to a friend some many years ago and about one year back he had to replace his heating cylinder, when it was found that there was hardly any calcaire on the coils.

Non scientific warning. It may not work on all hard waters, dependent upon the actual chemicals in the water but, if I remember correctly, Scalewatcher give a money back guarantee - and NO, I don't sell 'em.


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 Post subject: Re: Water softeners
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Majic,

The reason why I do not recommend any electronic, electrical, magnetic devices, is that they are not proven to work in all cases

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 Post subject: Re: Water softeners
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:42 am 
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I wouldn't be without ours (salt regeneration type). :-bd


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 Post subject: Re: Water softeners
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:02 am 
peake wrote:
Majic,

The reason why I do not recommend any electronic, electrical, magnetic devices, is that they are not proven to work in all cases


That's the point I made in my last sentence. However, in our case and our friend's, they have worked almost as promised - and at 4 euros a year. Try (under guarantee) before you buy.


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Try vinegar to clear any item (including washing machines (one spin with a cap full) in limescale areas.
Washing machines clean better (and cheaper) with vinegar!

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