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 Post subject: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:49 am 
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Couldn't find a check list for completing the purchase of a privately-owned 2nd hand French vehicle on here, and thought we could do with our own.

So, question - some people tell me that a vehicle must be CT'd just before sale, someone else says as long as the CT was done in the last six months, the seller doesn't need to renew it?

Does the seller produce the paperwork to transfer ownership details? This gets sent off, for the carte gris to be changed?

All facts gratefully received ...we have bought vehicles (and sold) here before, but it was from garages, and too long ago to remember! 8-}

Because we've finally found a better van! :ymparty: Are there different rules for utility vehicles?

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:11 am 
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Info here and here
This link looks to me to be the best:
http://france.angloinfo.com/transport/vehicle-ownership/selling-a-used-car/
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:15 am 
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Décret n°2004-568 du 11 juin 2004 - art. 1 JORF 19 juin 2004:
Tout vendeur professionnel ou non professionnel d'un véhicule automobile soumis à la visite technique prévue par les dispositions des articles R. 323-22 et R. 323-26 du code de la route remet à l'acheteur non professionnel, avant la conclusion du contrat de vente, le procès-verbal de la visite technique établi depuis moins de six mois, ainsi que les procès-verbaux des éventuelles contre-visites.

So a clear CT of less than 6 months with documents relating to any 2nd or subsequent test (contre-visites).
As far as I know, it's up to the buyer to deal with registration. You need to be handed the carte grise and a receipt (from memory, there's a form which the seller signs and hands over).

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Voilà, Pips has it all in the Queen's Ingerlish.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
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Brilliant, thanks guys! :-bd Unfortunately I won't be present at the acquisition :( , so I want to make sure OH has all info. spelt out clearly for the changeover!! :-@ :- He'd happily just hand over the money, take the keys and bugger off into the sunset with his new toy! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
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The Certificat de situation administrative is optional. It's a bit like a UK HPI check if you like so up to the buyer whether they want it or not. It is not required for registration by a new owner whereas the other documents mentioned are.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:19 pm 
I would never buy any car without the Certificat de situation administrative (the old Non Gage) being offered. Not required now on re-registration but it's a bit late in the day if it is found to have "loans" or even a note of being a stolen car against it when you try to put it in your name.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
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I wasn't advising on that point, only on the fact that it is optional.

Never is a big word, would you do it if you were buying a car from a good friend or a family member ?


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:07 pm 
Is there a car called an MG Pedantic? Thought I saw one once in dept 46 :))

I was advising on that point though, or is advice on motors the domain purely for Ernie? Surely anyone buying should be advised of the important point I posted!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:28 pm 
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I'll be making sure all possible documents are present and correct, well I'll be leaving instructions to that effect anyway!! :-B :D

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
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This was supposed to be a serious informative thread! :-B Could you two comedians take your witticisms-duel elsewhere please! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:42 pm 
Whoah, Bayleaf, mine was a serious response to your OP.

I gave you a good reason to ensure you were given a Certificat de situation administrative when you bought the van. I can't help it if Ernie pokes his nose in as he feels he should be the authority on Motors, in fact I had no idea he would even say anything about me offering you that sound advice but there you go..

A thank you, I will ensure MOH makes sure he asks for that certificate would have been nicer :D


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:10 pm 
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That was a very valid point you made Basil, and I do thank you for it. Buying second-hand from people you don't know is fraught with possible problems, so a Certificate de situation administrative is a must as far as I'm concerned.

It's just it all went downhill after that ........

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Basil wrote:

I gave you a good reason to ensure you were given a Certificat de situation administrative when you bought the van.



totally agree with this - and through experience too.

we bought a Triumph from a very well to do chap who turned out to be a solicitor with a big law firm on the Champs-Elysees...he didn't give us a CdeS and said, oh i'm sure it'll be OK.

Well it wasn't, the prefecture refused to issue the new carte gris as the bike had over 2000€ in unpaid Paris parking fines hanging over it.


Fortunately for us, the solicitor honoured the fines and we got our clean CdS....

Could've been a whole different story though.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
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Bayleaf wrote:
It's just it all went downhill after that ........
and please remember who pushed it over the top.

Basil has been a member here as long as I have so should know very well the reasons the forum was created and therefore that snide comments and personal attacks should have no place on it and I apologise to the forum on this single occasion.


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Thank you. :)

I believe all of the forms can be downloaded and printed out from the internet - so even the purchaser could take the full set of forms, just in case the vendor happened to forget one!

If you're taking out a loan to help with the purchase - it's even more important to be as thorough as possible.

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Good Luck with your 'new' motor Bayleaf. :-bd

(Hope you're getting a full tank of fuel included in the deal? :-? )

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a vehicle in France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:35 pm 
Surely anyone buying should be advised of the important point I posted!
As has proved since, my informing the forum of the importance of getting the certificate has proven to be very useful, look what happened to scooby for instance and Bayleaf will also ensure her OH gets the certificate before purchasing, so best leave it at that.

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