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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:03 am 
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But there really wasn't yesterday, having noticed it's decline in the last few weeks ......

Is there a butter crisis in France?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41766352

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 Post subject: Re: I can't believe there's no butter!
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I see this has been mentioned elsewhere, but thought it warranted it's own thread. :D

No buts, there has to be butter!

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There's none to be had in Intermarché or Leclerc but Super U had plenty earlier this week :-bd We heard that there would be a shortage a couple of weeks ago. I haven't seen anyone buying huge amounts. They might stop making croissants with butter if it really becomes a problem ... or the price of croissants will rise.

I thought at first it was just Brittany that had the shortage.


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None in Intermarché in St Yrieix yesterday.

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Manipulation of free market forces, how terribly French !


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I haven't noticed any missing butter here. Maybe the Centre's pinched it all!

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French media says it's due to increased demand (from USA and China) since that report saying butter is good for you (of course it is).

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/25/croissants-in-crisis-could-french-bakers-crumble-amid-butter-shortage


Croissants in crisis: could French bakers crumble amid butter shortage?

Pastry makers in France fear they can’t go on for much longer, as consumers face empty butter fridges in supermarkets

Angelique Chrisafis in Paris


Supermarket stocks are running low, people online are jokingly offering to sell a half-eaten pack for €250, and a film shot in the dairy-loving region of Brittany features deprived addicts roaming the streets like zombies.

For months, bakers, biscuit-makers, farmers and food producers have sounded the alarm over a dearth of butter in France. But this week, with French newspapers warning of the worst shortage since the second world war, the crisis has turned political as the government seeks to reassure consumers.

The reasons for the current shortage are complex. Falling levels of milk production, combined with a poor yield in 2016 and growing butter demand across the world, have resulted in a drop in supply and rising wholesale prices. The price of industrial butter has risen from €2,500 a tonne in April 2016 to €7,000 this summer.

The result is that pastry-makers and bakers cannot obtain enough wholesale butter to maintain normal production levels. Some French supermarkets – including in historic butter-producing areas like Brittany or Normandy – have had to put apologetic notes on empty butter fridges.

Makers of French pastries such as croissants – in which butter often makes up around a quarter of the content – have been grappling with rising prices and scarce supplies. They have warned that costs for consumers could also rise. Thierry Lucas, who has a bakery in the Finistère area, says he has already increased the prices of his croissants by five centimes.

Claude Francois, the owner of a small pastry producer in the central Cher region, has cut her workers’ hours by 70% because she cannot source enough butter to maintain output. “We’ve been on rationed supplies since mid August. We are only receiving a tonne a week when we need three tonnes ... We cannot go on like this for much longer,” she told the news agency AFP.

France’s agriculture and food minister, Stéphane Travert, has insisted the shortage will not last because low milk production levels will soon rise. But industry and farming insiders have warned the situation could continue through the autumn and into winter.

The turbulence in the butter market began when the EU abolished its system of milk quotas in 2015. At first there was a flood of milk supplies, causing a collapse in global prices that prompted dairy farmers to slash their output. Then butter consumption rose worldwide amid reports that it was no longer seen as a health risk and was better than vegetable-oil alternatives like margarine. Consumers in the US, China and the Middle East now eat ever increasing amounts of butter.

Yet dairy farmers complain they get little benefit from the growing butter markets, arguing that what they are paid is more often tied to cheaper raw milk and milk powder prices. Fewer farmers are producing milk for butter than those producing milk for cheese or cream.

In a country with the highest level of butter consumption in the world, the crisis is creating a headache for Emmanuel Macron’s government as it tries to fulfil an election pledge to support farmers in their negotiations with companies to get a fair price for their produce.

The agriculture minister has played down the suggestion of acute shortages, but he told parliament this week that retailers and suppliers should agree price adjustments in order to maintain deliveries.

French consumers have not yet seen butter prices rise at the checkout because supermarket groups fix their prices once a year. But this means butter suppliers currently get better margins by selling elsewhere.

Some French shoppers, seeing the headlines, have been rushing to buy butter and freezing it, worsening the depleting supermarket stocks.

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 Post subject: Re: I can't believe there's no butter!
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Given the 40 week gestation period for a cow, I am not sure milk production can be ramped up that rapidly.

I will have to have a look at prices and availability tomorrow in the Co-op.

This could be the first time shoppers from France come here to buy food! Normally it is the other way round.

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MAD87 wrote:
French media says it's due to increased demand (from USA and China) since that report saying butter is good for you (of course it is).

They should be seeing that French buyers are satisfied first.
But no doubt the suppliers/middlemen are seeing a more lucrative market abroad.
The Guardian wrote:
Makers of French pastries such as croissants – in which butter often makes up around a quarter of the content – have been grappling with rising prices and scarce supplies.

Never mind the croissants - what about our Kouign-amann ? :-o


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Blaze wrote:
MAD87 wrote:
French media says it's due to increased demand (from USA and China) since that report saying butter is good for you (of course it is).

They should be seeing that French buyers are satisfied first.
But no doubt the suppliers/middlemen are seeing a more lucrative market abroad.
The Guardian wrote:
Makers of French pastries such as croissants – in which butter often makes up around a quarter of the content – have been grappling with rising prices and scarce supplies.

Never mind the croissants - what about our Kouign-amann ? :-o


Ah the Breton lardy cake?
Ou oi do loik a bit o lardy cake in me diner bag.

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Papibryn wrote:
Blaze wrote:
MAD87 wrote:
French media says it's due to increased demand (from USA and China) since that report saying butter is good for you (of course it is).

They should be seeing that French buyers are satisfied first.
But no doubt the suppliers/middlemen are seeing a more lucrative market abroad.
The Guardian wrote:
Makers of French pastries such as croissants – in which butter often makes up around a quarter of the content – have been grappling with rising prices and scarce supplies.

Never mind the croissants - what about our Kouign-amann ? :-o


Ah the Breton lardy cake?
Ou oi do loik a bit o lardy cake in me diner bag.


How can you call a Kouign amann, lardy cake when its is way ahead of lardy cake, lardy cake is full of fat with a bit of sugar, where the kouign amann 30% butter and 30% sugar

http://www.recettes-bretonnes.fr/gateau ... amann.html

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Exactly, Peake :) Definitely no lard :ymsick:


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Limited choices around Lot/Lot et Garonne boundary definitely, but we didn't see a problem in the Herault a week ago - maybe less butter eaten in that Mediterranean area?

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I read a little piece in Le Fig's business section after lunch. They say the real reason behind the shortage is a major spat between the milk producers and wholesalers on one side and les grandes surfaces (Carrefour, Auchan et al) on the other.

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Couldn't get any butter in Carrefour market this afternoon. Went up the road to Casino and there was plenty. I do enjoy a bit of toast with loads of butter. The thought of having to use marge makes me feel slightly sick.


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I was worried I wouldn't be able to find any to make my Christmas cakes, but it was available in Suoer U last week. I had to pop into Lidl today and I noticed they had some too.


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To which I might add, pull the middle leg its got bells on, no way will you get butter, like in that video you may get cream all around the walls and yourself, but butter no way

I've done enough butter making in the past, goats milk, cows milk, and mixed cow and goat milk, in that video the supposed butter was not washed, nor "patted" the get the liquid out of the butter

Try these links to see how it should be done, in my opinion





Goats milk butter in case you want to know is white, almost like lard in looks, but tastes like butter, unless the goats have been browsing on a rather strong herbage like nettles etc, when both the milk, cream and butter will have a slight taste of what the animal has been feeding on

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Loads here - CHF2.70-3.10 (EUR 2.30-2.70) for 250g.

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Only unsalted to be found in St Yrieix. But on returning from being a teenage taxi to a halloween party near St Germain les Belles, stumbled across a quiet Intermarché in Magnac Bourg, an hour from home, and plenty of demi-sel there! So stocked up with both sorts now. That should do us for a few months! :-bd

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Absolutely NO butter in the big Leclerc near us yesterday. I could have done with some too, but luckily Mum has a spare pack

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Even getting a few gaps in the shelves here yesterday.

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