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 Post subject: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:20 pm 
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under 50% voted today, isn't it about time that it was made compulsory to vote as in Australia for instance?
So many complain about their government but never vote so get what they deserve.
Even so it seems that Macron in this first vote has swept through.
May he do even better next Sunday.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:31 pm 
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It's amazing, isn't it. So many French just couldn't care less and those that didn't vote will probably be those who whinge the loudest.
Perhaps more will be motivated to vote next week having seen the results ..... oops, there goes a pig ....


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:08 pm 
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Compulsory voting is good only if there is a "None of the above box" - although what to do if NOTA "wins" is another matter.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:23 pm 
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I think that in a democracy one should be able to vote or not as one wishes. I always vote (I even voted for the police and crime commissioner - a post with whose existence I disagree), but if I was to be told that voting was compulsory I would not vote just out of a sense of outrage.

However, I do agree that if a person is elected on a tiny turnout, their legitimacy is reduced. To be political for a minute, Len McCluskey got slightly under half the vote of his union members. 12 % voted, meaning that he was elected by fewer than 6% of the membership. Every time he appears on TV telling me what his members think, I shout "how do you know?"


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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:26 am 
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I'm not a fan of compulsory voting either.

It'll be interesting to see what the 2nd round scores are, but it's clear that voters wanted to (a) try something different.and (b) avoid the extremes.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:54 am 
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I wouldn't like to see compulsory voting any more than I'd like to see proportional representation.

If Macron ends up with a big majority, it will be interesting to see if he can get his reforms through. Those who shout loudest against him are likely be those with "acquis" ... and of course the unions.

The French want change, but what kind of change do they want ?
Being taxed at source has been put off for another year - but if it does happen, it can surely only be a good thing (tax returns greatly simplified, not having to save up for a bill at the end of the year ...). Yet some people are paranoid, thinking their employer will know how much money they have and where it comes from ~x(


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I still think it will be a case of “We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it” - assuming the unions even let him "do it".

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As far as I'm concerned, the unions can bog off. I look at Philippe Martinez and I see Jack Dash. They don't give a toss about the "workers", just their own positions. As Blaze say, les bloody acquis.

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As far as I'm concerned, the unions can bog off. I look at Philippe Martinez and I see Jack Dash. They don't give a toss about the "workers", just their own positions. As Blaze say, les bloody acquis.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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Macron has it - the downside is that the poor turnout has let the fascist party in- boooo.


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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:02 am 
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Well Dave, I see the result of the législatives and the présidentielle as a victory for moderation. Both could have gone pear-shaped, but thank dog the French electorate appears to have rejected extremism. Yes, the FN has increased the number of its députés and yes, La France Insoumise has put itself firmly on the political map. I hope that the new govt will take those protest votes into account.
Interestingly, while our commune went back to itsd roots and voted for the communist party, REM swept the board in Haute-Vienne. But...why oh why does our sparsely-populated département need 3 députés??

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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Used to be communist here but big majority for REM with Le pen coming second.
What's wrong with the French in not bothering to vote it can't all be because the result was a foregone conclusion.
Then people start to say because Macron got such a large majority it's not democratic, when they all had the democratic right to vote.

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I agree - it is crazy when people say only 25% of the population voted for such-and-such.

Everyone knows how voting system works and how to get a vote (if entitled). If they cannot be bothered, then I do not think they have any rights to denounce the results as not democratic after the event.

So, given his majority let us see whether he can deliver! Hopefully, with no vested interests to hold him back he will.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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Maybe people went to the beach instead.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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I agree - it is crazy when people say only 25% of the population voted for such-and-such.

Everyone knows how voting system works and how to get a vote (if entitled). If they cannot be bothered, then I do not think they have any rights to denounce the results as not democratic after the event.

So, given his majority let us see whether he can deliver! Hopefully, with no vested interests to hold him back he will.

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One can only hope.
All of our French friends here say the same, they have all had enough of the left contra the right and vice versa, it's about time someone in authority just worked for La France.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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Speaking as someone who is UK voteless, and soon to be everywhere voteless, I can whinge all I like. :|

Regarding voting systems, how any country with a first past the post system can call itself democratic is beyond me. I noticed that both Corbyn and May emphasised the votes they garnished as well as the seats, seemingly quite oblivious to how ridiculous their statements were.

As to comnpulsory voting, yes, yes, yes. If your country is democratic it is your duty to vote, and if you don't like anyone, vote all or none. At least the can't be bothered brigade will be forced to make the effort. If policed correctly, of course.

2015 was the first time in my life that I had not voted (even when sailing on the far side of the world) and, seeing so many throwing away that privelege was a very bitter pill to swallow.

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Agreed. Once you don't have a vote you understand how the suffragettes felt and others feel all over the world.

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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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+1 Spardo and Liz.


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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:16 pm 
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Spardo wrote:
As to comnpulsory voting, yes, yes, yes. If your country is democratic it is your duty to vote, and if you don't like anyone, vote all or none. At least the can't be bothered brigade will be forced to make the effort. If policed correctly, of course.

I agree that people should vote, but in the end it is up to them. If your country is democratic it has no business telling you what part you should play in its government.


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 Post subject: Re: French legislative election 1st vote
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Elstow wrote:
Spardo wrote:
As to comnpulsory voting, yes, yes, yes. If your country is democratic it is your duty to vote, and if you don't like anyone, vote all or none. At least the can't be bothered brigade will be forced to make the effort. If policed correctly, of course.

I agree that people should vote, but in the end it is up to them. If your country is democratic it has no business telling you what part you should play in its government.


But it tells us how we live our lives all the time, why not something as important as this, which does affects the lives of all of us? Unlike the seat belt law which affects only the life of the (non)wearer, apart from those already tasked and paid for to put us back together again.

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