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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:15 pm 
:? What's the point of releasing it,the head's smashed,it ain't running much!
Update,cage relined,no more rats in the Trap...I'm now thinking that maybe the Hen killed the chick,other wise why would it have been flattened?


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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:47 pm 
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Galli wrote:
:? What's the point of releasing it,the head's smashed,it ain't running much!
Update,cage relined,no more rats in the Trap...I'm now thinking that maybe the Hen killed the chick,other wise why would it have been flattened?


You miss the point a rat dipped in creosote will run back to its nest, and has rats do not like creosote (it burns them) they will abandon the nest and all runs with creosote in them, the same goes for a singed rat, I would have thought that it would be better to encourage all the rats to go rather than belt them over the head one at a time

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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:07 pm 
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Galli wrote:
:? What's the point of releasing it,the head's smashed,it ain't running much!
Update,cage relined,no more rats in the Trap...I'm now thinking that maybe the Hen killed the chick,other wise why would it have been flattened?


You miss the point a rat dipped in creosote will run back to its nest, and has rats do not like creosote (it burns them) they will abandon the nest and all runs with creosote in them, the same goes for a singed rat, I would have thought that it would be better to encourage all the rats to go rather than belt them over the head one at a time


Of course I didn't miss your point.
I wouldn't do either of those methods.
I abhor cruelty.
If one's going to kill:do it quickly.
I can't find "Creosote"for my posts,I think it's banned in France...love the smell of it though.


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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:25 pm 
There is a poison that is "rodent specific" and safe from "onward transmission" - meaning that pets (except rodent pets!), owls etc are safe even if they eat a poisoned rodent:
http://www.eradi-products.com/
Not available in France so would need to be delivered to a UK address and brought over.

Or, very effective for all rodents -
http://www.ratzapper.com/
We have two of the Ratzapper "Classic" machines in outbuildings and they are very effective.


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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:29 pm 
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Galli wrote:


I abhor cruelty.
If one's going to kill:do it quickly.


Well done Galli. We use poison and of course this isn't quick and is probably cruel. I think pouring creosote on a rat is unacceptable.


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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:58 am 
Well sorry(not) but I also would not use poison...to burn a creature inside out,can you imagine the agony?
No! I don't think I can condemn a Rat for acting as Nature intended.
I will continue with a baited (salami)trap.
I also reckon the Rats communicate...."Don't go down there,don't be tempted:old Joe,aunty may and john were murdered down there!"..."Yeah you're right,let's bugger off,over the road."


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 Post subject: Re: The Poultry Keeper - specialist forum link
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:41 pm 
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Burning animals alive it just not acceptable, however much a pest they are. This is sick.

Please be aware that rats will take and 'cache' poisoned grain- which can then be eaten by larger mammals. I have witnessed several cases of slowly and agonizingly dying badger cubs. In every case they had to be put down immediately when we caught them, as they were bleeding to death internally. Dark blood by the anus being the clue. Small amounts of rat poison would not normally affect larger mammals - just thin their blood a bit (like for humans taking a from of warfarin after a vascular accident). But if they ingest a large amount of cached poisoned grain- it will not be enough kill them quickly and lead to above. Dreadful to see I can tell you.

For those of you in the Dordogne area- watch out for 2500/3000 mink that have been released from a fur farm. They are true killers of poultry.

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