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 Post subject: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:17 pm 
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We've got ourselves into a complicated mess over our health cover, my fault probably. Normally with S1 as retirees.
Eddie got a letter from the international Ass. Maladie yesterday to say that as he has been living in England since Jan. 2010 his S1 has not been valid since then. They enclose a form to return.
Once I got over the shock I realised that it's probably connected with the address I gave on his Self Assessment UK tax return. The online form wouldn't accept a french address so I gave daughter's address in UK, and she sends the stuff to us. They link with the Pensions Dept, who obviously think he lives there.
He rang the pensions people in Newcastle and they're going to send a letter confirming that he lives in France.
Can anyone suggest other steps we could take to sort this out? I don' yet know whether his Carte Vitale still works.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Normally, your Carte Vitale will be annulled as soon as your S1 comes into effect so that there will only be one country responsible for your health cover.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:31 pm 
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Go here http://www.ameli.fr/ and get an account or phone 08 11 36 36 46


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:42 pm 
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Blaze wrote:
Normally, your Carte Vitale will be annulled as soon as your S1 comes into effect so that there will only be one country responsible for your health cover.

Maybe I'm being dense this evening but that doesn't make any sense !

The S1 is what gets you health cover in France (the Carte Vitale is really nothing more than a payment card !) so how can you say that it annuls it ???

Patf: A great many others do UK self assessments without such problems, are you sure the HMRC SA site won't accept a non UK address, there must be many thousands of non residents who do them but don't have a UK address to use as a proxy so that just sounds improbable. As I understand it though to complete it online you first must obtain a UTR (Unique Taxpayer Reference) part of which will be supplying your non UK address and once that's done there should not be a need to enter another address.

If your OH also completed a French tax return, which I'm sure he will have, then that itself should go a very long way to proving French residency. CPAM and Impots probably do not touch base with each other on these sort of things.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:52 pm 
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Ernie - I've started filling his UK return online tonight, and have managed to put in the french address this time.
And yes, we do complete a french tax return.
I also thought of sending a certificate of residence from our Mairie with the form to CPAM.
Couldn't get into his account on the ameli site .
I've really got my knickers in a twist over this and will have to calm down - Eddie isn't all that bothered :-\


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:56 pm 
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ErnieY wrote:
Maybe I'm being dense this evening but that doesn't make any sense !

The S1 is what gets you health cover in France (the Carte Vitale is really nothing more than a payment card !) so how can you say that it annuls it ???


If you have been covered by your spouse, then qualified for UK retirement, an S1 will be issued from the UK. You get an individual SS number and CV from CPAM (or whoever). It's worth following through to save the hassle on the death of the OH,.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:01 pm 
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ErnieY wrote:
Blaze wrote:
Normally, your Carte Vitale will be annulled as soon as your S1 comes into effect so that there will only be one country responsible for your health cover.

Maybe I'm being dense this evening but that doesn't make any sense !
The S1 is what gets you health cover in France (the Carte Vitale is really nothing more than a payment card !) so how can you say that it annuls it ???

No, Ernie, you're not dense - I just expressed myself badly :ymblushing: !!!

The S1 effectively replaces the Carte Vitale. Under the Carte Vitale system, France pays for the health care, and if you apply for an S1, it will replace the Carte Vitale as your healthcare will be paid for by the UK. It's just a case of producing the new card when asked for the Carte Vitale. A rose by any other name ......!

What I was trying to say was that you cannot run both at the same time.

In my own case, I get a UK pension and have just changed over to S1 and am now covered for health in my own right. OH has a Carte Vitale and is not yet of pensionable age ! My Carte Vitale has now been invalidated.

Apologies, Patf, this is probably all totally irrelevant to your case :(


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Just to update, in case anyone else has the same problem:
Jan; 11 Eddie rang the Int. pensions dept. in Tyneside, and they promised to send him something. A new S1 arrived 3 weeks later.
Then 6th Feb. we went into CPAM with the S1 and also took the Cert of Res. from our Maire.
New attestation arrived 18th Feb.
Eventually got a request for a new photo from another part of France.
On Monday 25 Mar. his new CV arrived - Hooray!
Now just needs to be put through the borne at the pharmacy.
HMRC have also confirmed he lives in France.
So all in all the bureaucratic wheels have moved relatively quickly.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:12 pm 
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Glad to hear it worked out for you.


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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:18 pm 
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Glad you got it all sorted!!!

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 Post subject: Re: health cover problem
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:31 pm 
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Great news, Patf :-bd


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