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 Post subject: New UK Rules start on Monday
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:53 am 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... alth-care/

Will be interesting to see how this evolves - I am sure we all know of Brits living, working and paying their taxes and social security in France who pop over the channel for their healthcare. I guess this will prevent it in future.

Meanwhile, Addenbrookes seem to have started early:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... y-row.html

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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:20 am 
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Firstly, why would anyone registered for health care in France want to go to England for treatment?

Secondly, I was told this policy was in force years ago. When we first applied for French EHICs we were asked where we were travelling to. When we said, England, they said we couldn't have one as treatment was free there for us. I doubted that and rang the health service in Nottingham and was firmly told 'no, you will have to pay if you don't have a card'.

So, we went back to the CPAM and said we were going to Ireland. We got the cards, albeit too late for our departure as they refused to accept the application more than 2 weeks in advance of travel.

So the next time we went abroad we told them a month in advance that we were going to Ireland in 10 days time.

But this was at least 10 years ago I reckon.

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Spardo wrote:
Firstly, why would anyone registered for health care in France want to go to England for treatment?


Free at the point of delivery - no need to pay up front, no need for mutuelle . . .

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niemeyjt wrote:
Spardo wrote:
Firstly, why would anyone registered for health care in France want to go to England for treatment?


Free at the point of delivery - no need to pay up front, no need for mutuelle . . .

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But hardly something to be desired, with all those waiting times. And anyway, you mentioned all the Brits who live work and pay their taxes and SS in France who then nip across the Channel for treatment. I've never met one and would be surprised if I did.

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But the staff speak a language that is clearly understood.

But nothing new here. My sister worked in a London hospital and told the tale of a woman who was receiving treatment. Just as she was going under the anaesthetic she said that she would be glad when it was all over and she could go home to her villa in Spain. When she came round after the op, there was an envelope with a multi '000 bill on her bedside cabinet.

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thelastoneout wrote:
But the staff speak a language that is clearly understood.




Not always going by what I hear Andy. :lol:

Though I do see language as a downside of treatment here, when the subject is so serious. But still wouldn't dream of going back. :)

Best advice, always look for the really tall doctors in French hospitals, they speak wonderful English. (Dutch, you see ;) )

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I know of people that do this, in one case he is registered here, is wife is not, they have lived here many years, he will go to the local GP and if he needs treatment he goes to the local hospital as long as he doesn't have to pay, if he does he goes back to the Uk for it, his wife is still registered with a UK GP she uses a relatives address to receive appointments, treatments etc obviously she has to return to the uk each time, but with the cheapness of flights back, its not a problem, this new "law" will not effect people like this.


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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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niemeyjt wrote:
Spardo wrote:
Firstly, why would anyone registered for health care in France want to go to England for treatment?


Free at the point of delivery - no need to pay up front, no need for mutuelle . . .

J


I know i complained that even with cpam and mutualitie i had to pay for the first consultations, exrays,cardio,anethatist. However when admitted to the clinic Pasteur in Bergerac no charge, why ? Put it down to the slow French beaurocracy, the time it took for paperwork to come through and then secretaries to enter on their pc. Where as all of the health service works very quick and thorough. With our mutualitie everything is 100% and reimboursements are coming in
Certainly know that if we went back to the UK it would be zilch.

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Papibryn wrote:

I know i complained that even with cpam and mutualitie i had to pay for the first consultations, exrays,cardio,anethatist. However when admitted to the clinic Pasteur in Bergerac no charge, why ? Put it down to the slow French beaurocracy, the time it took for paperwork to come through and then secretaries to enter on their pc. Where as all of the health service works very quick and thorough. With our mutualitie everything is 100% and reimboursements are coming in
Certainly know that if we went back to the UK it would be zilch.


I agree. When I had my only serious operation here, the first specialist consultation was paid immediately, €80, the 2nd sometime later, €40.

After that it was plain sailing. I was into hospital at a time of my choosing (allowing for the surgeon's holidays of course), had the 1st op and a private room, then because of complications the surgeon came in the following Sunday for the final one.

I could hardly believe it when I left and called at the office with my carte vitale to be cheerily waved away with a 'no need we have all the details we want'. Never heard anything more and no more to pay. The reimbursements for the 2 consultations arrived without undue delay. I would challenge the NHS to provide such a trouble free and effective service.

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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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Spardo wrote:
Papibryn wrote:

I know i complained that even with cpam and mutualitie i had to pay for the first consultations, exrays,cardio,anethatist. However when admitted to the clinic Pasteur in Bergerac no charge, why ? Put it down to the slow French beaurocracy, the time it took for paperwork to come through and then secretaries to enter on their pc. Where as all of the health service works very quick and thorough. With our mutualitie everything is 100% and reimboursements are coming in
Certainly know that if we went back to the UK it would be zilch.


I agree. When I had my only serious operation here, the first specialist consultation was paid immediately, €80, the 2nd sometime later, €40.

After that it was plain sailing. I was into hospital at a time of my choosing (allowing for the surgeon's holidays of course), had the 1st op and a private room, then because of complications the surgeon came in the following Sunday for the final one.

I could hardly believe it when I left and called at the office with my carte vitale to be cheerily waved away with a 'no need we have all the details we want'. Never heard anything more and no more to pay. The reimbursements for the 2 consultations arrived without undue delay. I would challenge the NHS to provide such a trouble free and effective service.


I too had to wait for my first surgeon consulation as he was on holiday, well they do work bloody hard,op only two weeks from then with tests every other day, it's my young age you see ;)

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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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As mentioned this is nothing really new only a stricter application of rules which have been in place for some time but due to chronic over stretching health authorities have not been able to assign the resources to assiduously apply them, where those will suddenly appear from now is anybody's guess because I can't see the government stumping up anything extra.

As always though it's always better to get your info from the train driver not his oily rag !

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-overseas-visitors-hospital-charging-regulations/summary-of-changes-made-to-the-way-the-nhs-charges-overseas-visitors-for-nhs-hospital-care

Personally I can't say that I know of or have even heard of anybody working the system as suggested and would not be surprised if the cases quoted were nothing more than pub talk or Chinese whispers, it's for sure they are not first hand !


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At least Expats probably have paid in some money over the years. On my evening class was an anesthetist who had just had a patient from outside of Europe let alone the UK and her surgery cost the NHS £180,000 she was asking where she could claim benefits to.

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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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ErnieY wrote:

Personally I can't say that I know of or have even heard of anybody working the system as suggested and would not be surprised if the cases quoted were nothing more than pub talk or Chinese whispers, it's for sure they are not first hand !


For a start I don't believe all the gossip that seems to surround the ex-pats here in France, as said on a different post myself and her indoors keep ourselves to ourselves, the comment I made about fiddling the system came from the very people that are doing it, their attitude was that they have paid into it all their working lives why shouldn't use it. It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree you cannot argue with their reasoning. There are lots of Brits I would like to see caught, all running about in Uk registered cars and vans, some with French insurance a lot with none, of course no CT, so insurance invalid, people here who have never passed a driving test, driving about, in the UK you would not do it because you would get caught, you come to live abroad, you break the law because it's rare for you to get caught. Rant over


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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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I agree, Spectrum. In 20 months of living near Saint Malo, we haven't met a single Brit (nor have we sought them out !). I can see your point about people paying in all their lives feeling they should get what they can out of 'the system'. It's those that haven't, and come from outside the UK expecting free healthcare that are often abusing it.

At the back of my mind is how those of us who have a carte vitale on an S1 will be affected by Brexit. But I digress ....


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 Post subject: Re: New UK Rules start on Monday
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I've said it before on here, you go to live in another country, you abide with their rules and regulations, some you may not like but it's your choice.
From the start we entered the system, had for 20 years a success b/b, gite business, i know of many who work on the black, run brit cars going back each year to re do their insurance because they cant get it here.
What I have complained about is the fact that they totally ignored us expats along with the isle of man, channel islands and Malta in the referendum, also until Monday the fact that we wouldn't get any health care if taken ill over there, now changed so it seems.
Since my operation not a day goes by without one of our French neighbours either phoning or calling in to see if they can help and bringing along a present.
As for carte vital, s1 one hopes soon to be passed all of that if Bourdeaux ever gets their act together.

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