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 Post subject: Orange do something amazingly good shock
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:49 pm 
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I got a text message from Orange this afternoon saying they'd enabled VDSL2 on my Internet line. Wondering what difference this would make I ran a test:

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My gob was smacked, my ship came in, everything I touched turned to gold. Well, not quite, but wow. Downloads 6x faster, uploads 20x faster - these are speeds you expect from fibre, not a Livebox on a phone line. Thank you Orange. Now sort the bloody phones out!!!

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Thanks for the depressing news - look at the result I just got :

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Time we did something about it !


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:29 pm 
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The upload speed makes a huge difference to my work. Each week I have to upload a lot of data to our web server - 3GB was a recent example - which took 12-15 hours or more to complete and tied up all our bandwidth. Now even a big one like that will be done in 45 minutes or less. It's brilliant for us!

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Ping 46
Up 0.43
Down 1.51

Normal, quoi, here in the boonies.

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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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Certainly for work and big downloads, you can't mess about - time is money :D
We're going to see if we can improve our service - we're not exactly in the boonies any more !


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We're in the middle of a small rural village. Not exactly the sprawling urban metropolis, though we are close to the exchange. Every time I've checked online I've been informed that our old speeds were the fastest available to us. Indeed, that's still what they claim is on offer:

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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:22 pm 
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VDSL2 depends on how far you are from your nearest bit of ISP kit (DSLAM multiplexer) I can't remember exactly but it's in the region of 1200m after that it goes downhill fast. I can still only get ADSL2 because I'm just over the limit, which is fine for downloads, but crap for uploads. However, my nice little 4G router gives me 25mbs upload so I use that when I want to upload some big files quickly. As long as I stick within the 30gb limit per month.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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We've just checked with Orange and what we have is as good as it gets :(


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Have you checked if you can get mobile 4G at home?


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Blaze, these are good, http://www.ariase.com/ try them

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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:42 pm 
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We're supposed to be getting the new superfast ADSL soon (or whatever it's called.) They've been busy laying cables near us for some time. I think the main centre of the Gers "ISP kit" isn't far from us.
We haven't re-measured the speed yet.
We're out in the boonies too.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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Dave - I haven't a clue but I'll find out !
We've only just changed from SFR to Orange and no-one else round here has a better speed. It may well be that up the hill they can get faster ADSL as it does seem to be very localised. Worth investigating further.


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Whatever Orange have in their database for your line characteristics - be it right or wrong and all too often the latter - that is all they or any ISP will be able to give you.

Ariase, and all similar lookup services, access the self same Orange database so will give you the self same result !

The exception is if your exchange is degroupee (unbundled) in which case you might get more from a 3rd party ISP who opens the line up to what it's actually capable of reliably supporting but there is no guarantee that that will be appreciably faster than Orange.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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If you go to http://www.speedzilla.net that will perform a proper test which should give you a more accurate idea of what your line is actually capable of.

Mine comes back at around 5.5mb which dovetails perfectly into the known measured line attenuation of 43dB, unfortunately the Orange database wrongly claims it's 59dB and because of that they will only give me 2mB :(


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:34 am 
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Speedzilla only tests your own connection, not the line - and it consistently underestimates my speed by nearly 50%:

Download:
58495 kbit/s · 7312 kbyte/s [=58.5 Mbit/s]
Upload:
12633 kbit/s · 1579 kbyte/s [=12.6 Mbit/s]

http://www.speedtest.net/ is more accurate here - it also tests with a much larger dataset.

My Livebox also reports the line speed:

Downstream bandwidth
105.6 Mbit/s
Upstream bandwidth
24.1 Mbit/s

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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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Actually it's the other way round which is why in general it gives a result faster than actual, how well it works on a 100mb connection I have no idea though and am exceedingly unlikely to ever find out !


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:17 pm 
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I find speedzilla gives spurious results. Here's another reasonable test site

https://www.nperf.com/en/


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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I like that one, Dave - very well presented

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I just noticed they present you with the beta test version but you can select the original version. I get different results between the two, the beta version doesn't recognise that I'm using IPv6, the previous version does. The version 1 gives more accurate jitter values.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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DaveW wrote:
Have you checked if you can get mobile 4G at home?

I assume you mean in connection with internet and mobile phone ?
We only need/want internet on our laptops - neither of us possesses any kind of smartphone (we both prefer using big screens !).


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You don't need a phone, you can just get the 4G SIM card for data and put it in a USB device that you can plug into your laptop or into a mini router. This is the router I use https://www.amazon.fr/TP-Link-TL-MR3020 ... ini+router

You can then take it away with you and use it wherever you get a good 3G or 4G signal (this is the issue).


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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Thanks for that, Dave. I'll see what sort of signal we get - all I know is that it's better than we had in our last house.


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Look online. All the providers have coverage maps, just type in your postcode.


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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A bit better, just been told that I have VDSL, result taken from my Livebox Play

date 10th of August 2016, 00 h 30 m
upload data rate 5.2 Mbit/s
download data rate 8.8 Mbit/s

And an independent speed test, which closely matches the above speed

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The download speed is a bit better, about 25%, but the upload speed is more than twice as fast, than the previous ADSL2

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2-speed internet this morning: Dead Slow & Stop. I think Orange has started the bank holiday weekend early. 8-|

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Sod's Law - we changed from SFR to Orange and Orange comes 3rd in the rating of 3G and 4G in the 10k circumference around our local Mairie.


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DaveW wrote:
I find speedzilla gives spurious results. Here's another reasonable test site
https://www.nperf.com/en/

I tried this but it took so long to get on to it that I gave up :(


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 Post subject: Re: Orange do something amazingly good shock
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DaveW wrote:
I just noticed they present you with the beta test version but you can select the original version. I get different results between the two, the beta version doesn't recognise that I'm using IPv6, the previous version does. The version 1 gives more accurate jitter values.


OT, but How do you get IPv6 - 4G or A/VDSL? Who is the supplier?

Just doing similar in UK - and also finding out just how important it is to use the BT junction point and not an extension - like 100% speed difference!

Now about to test the speed with an old Netgear box as I think the Dreytec is being too clever by half and failing!

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The old Netgear not only starts faster, but also reports an extra 1mb download (2.5Mb vs 1.5Mb at BT socket) but same upload speed.

So, for those reporting very poor Internet performance - the issue can be in the home!

Next job is to look for a router with Netgear performance and more of the Draytek functionality!

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